Chapter 9 BP: Ended up here, Styx Baker, Mulgrew Miller, Donald Brown I met. There was a bass player named Sylvester Sample. Man, I didn't know they had guys like this in the south that could play like this. Sylvester Sample was the second guy I heard of who played a fretless electric bass. The first guy being Jaco. This guy man, he wasn't as original as Jaco but he was a hell of a bass player. I mean unbelievable. So James... But you know, some cities -- Memphis, Philadelphia, St. Louis, New Orleans -- they all have a tradition of music, of black music, African American music, jazz, blues, R&B whatever. New Orleans is the birthplace of a lot of the styles of American music, man, you know. It's really it's evident if you ever really check out of the people that came out of New Orleans. I've always thought there's a connection with the Mississippi River. 'Cause the Mississippi River, you know, it ends in New Orleans but it begins way up beyond Chicago and Minnesota. Well that's the… Minneapolis, Minnesota was another place for black music, black musicians. Travel musicians. Lester Young's family was based there and they traveled. I'm not sure if it's a riverboat thing. I guess it's... Chicago isn't on the Mississippi, but anybody who lived on those towns on the Mississippi ended up in Chicago. The people in the Midwest. The people certainly from Memphis, from St. Louis, [FB: Kansas City.] Kansas City, they all end up in Chicago or New York. There's that connection, maybe there's something in the water I don't know. But anyway those towns had those traditions of music and a lot of the guys in those towns and even to this day still. Where some of the strongest players some of the strongest musicians, whether it be jazz or the more sort of popular form of American music. R&B gospel is so big now. I mean gospel music, the musicianship in that, man, is so high. Especially in Memphis. FB: That's right. James always had a touch of the gospel. BP: That's how pianists got their start playing. Eastern Star Baptist Church in Memphis which I went to [when] my brother James was, had his final final moment in that church, and he grew up in there. And then when he left Mulgrew [Miller] took his [organ loft] in the church. Some pretty funny stories about the church, but that's something else. FB: Wow. BP: Now we got to this point. I guess talkin’ about James and starting out. James was a big figure with me having any kind of success in music. He introduced me to Art Blakey. Alan Dawson, I mean James is the guy, man. He did that for everybody. He did it for people he knew on a certain level. His closest friends he always will, but even people he just knew, I mean John Lockwood. I mean he was one of the... We kept that relationship for years: me, James, Lockwood, ?, Donald Brown, different people. All the really close friends, but James is the guy that brought us all together.