FB: Talking about your various axes you play, your double fretted guitar, you find you play them in the Toros band and the Keif and also with some people you with. DF: I basically play my double neck, it's fretted and fretless on top, in everygroup. But it will have different functions in different groups. For example with Michelle Andegiocello, it will be more of a groove thing. It will be less Eastern and less microtonal. If you use alot of distortion you can get a really cool blues slide sound on the fretless. FB: Absolutely. I've heard that and it's very rich sounding. DF: You can also do kind of a banjo sound. You know banjos where fretless first before people started fretting them. So this whole (sound) that comes from it being fretless first. That's where these kind of slides come from, the concept. FB: Roger Brown in his address last week said that now you can get a major in Mandolin and Banjo at this school, it's brand new. Who's teaching those courses? DF: Uh, I know, God, we have five hundred teachers here, I'm blanking. FB: But anyway, are they aware of the fretless capabilities yet? DF: I'm not sure. You know there's alot of fretless players, there's alot of microtonal people, but it's still very underground. Again, you know people talk about a revolution, I always that was kind of corny, you know we could actually start something here.