MB: So it was...you know. In spite of having nuemonia and all of that- and of course I immediately got starte performing because I needed it. Hook up with Burt Seagar my husband now, who wasn't at that point Dan Greenspan, Gary Chaefe, - FB: I saw you guys play here and there. MB: -and then we started playing all the clubs.- Which existed at that point.- You learned the language there... FB: Let's name a few....Pous Pub, 1369, Riles, Michaels Pub, MB:Pous Pub, 1369, Riles, Michaels Pub, FB: Yeah... MB: The Willow, FB: Yes... MB: Ah...Mathapan had another one.... FB: Who did?- MB: In Mathapan... FB: Mattapan? MB: There were so many, and also in Rhode Island, and this and that, and this and that.. so FB: Burt always had good business chops..hustling the gigs.- MB: Yes Yes..So that was ...what else could a woman want? - The best education here, and the best pals around me.- I was one of them anyway..I was never the gal, but I was always trying to be the musician in the band too.- FB: Right...you weren't the chick singer.- MB: No I never was the chick singer.- I could never be the chick singer.- Um...and they pushed me ..all of them pushed me to be better. My voice was having some stress because I was doing too much. I was learning so much of the improvising but my range wasn't as large as I needed it to be. Gary Chaefe pulled me aside one day but he said, "You need chops...so go get them"... I started my classical voice stud...studies with Elisa McPheely, an incredible opera teacher.- If I say that to people here in the conservatory she is the queen...she just retired. She has been a mentor for so many years to very important classical singers. She only took me because Luis, my sister, was her favorite student. FB:Wow.. MB: But, she would never take anybody that wasn't doing classical. - I mean -she straightend me up, but it took a long time. My range got better, all my control, -I learned real technique with her; while I was doing Berklee. I was at the voice department but they were good teachers, but I needed really a coach that would push me and clean me up. - I did that. It took a long time. -A lot of frustrations. The glory of all of that is that through all of this experience, I learned to put together the two worlds. You know... FB:Yeah... MB: and sing well..and my range is better and better, even now, becasue my range is my pheely, My Mrs. Pheely support, My Mrs. Pheely understanding of the instrument; physiologicall in that sense, and like that.. and so .. at the end it gave me the free dom I was looking for. So you know.