BW: Exactly, exactly. So here I was playing tunes, I was probably in, I remember my first job I think was in junior highschool at tenor sax, piano and drums. I think I played, I'm trying to think of where it was. It was in Maplewood Square in Malden, I think it was at the, either the Oddfellows Hall or one of those halls that they had. FB: BPOE. BW: Yeah and we'd play the American Legion Hall and that was a place to play. And then in highschool I was working with a polka band from Chelsea named Johnny Sisk, his father was a cop I remember. We had lots of jobs and we would be working, this was more of a big band job, maybe three or four saxes, one trumpet, one trombone, or sometimes two trumpts. FB: Playing polkas? BW: We would play polkas, we could play big band stuff, regular orchestrations, stock orchestrations. And that was a really good way to make some extra, make money. But more than that, it was the experience in playing. It was the live experience and that's something that the students now a days I don't think get a chance to do, that's really really too bad. By the time I was 15 or 16 I probably had memorized a thousand, 1,500 tunes, 1,200, 1,500 and that's not counting, that was the tunes from Lee Daniels, that's not counting the tunes that my father taught me just whistling. Heres a tune, it goes like this, Always. And I'd start to play it and I'd pick out the harmonies and hear it on the radio and I could check it. FB: You were a walking fake book. BW: Well yeah that was the story. Because according to Lee Daniels, if I wanted to play with the bands that were playing around, almost all the bands were pickup bands. You were called as a piano player, there was a drummer, bass player, maybe a saxophone player, trumpet player and five pieces. That would be a normal band. And then you would jus start playing tunes. You'd learn the latest showtunes. If it was in the 50's, I'm trying to think of the shows, I can't think of it, but maybe a Rogers and Hammerstein show or that had came out in the late '40's, or in the middle '40's, Some Enchanted Evening and things like that. FB: Oklahoma Showboat. BW: Exactly, all those tunes. As you said, Showboat. Other shows, Sigmund Rongberd and Rudolph Fremmel. FB: Yeah operettas. BW: Yeah you'd have to learn some of those songs. FB: Rose Marie. BW: That's right. So all those tunes I learned.