BW: I finally started taking lessons from an accordion teacher who came to the house and he played accordion and piano and organ. He was called the flying fingers system of piano playing, Lewis E. Brae. I can remember him coming through the door, he was a big, big man, red headed. He used to bring me sheets, songs that I would learn and we'd practice playing the stride left hand, you know you'd play a root and a chord, and a fifth and a chord, root fifth chord. FB: It's much more fun than doing scales. BW: Well much more but I had to do scales, but I would do scales in the right hand as I played the chord in the left hand. Here we are sitting at the piano. So you'd learn to do that in the key of C major and D flat and D and E flat. So this was a way of learning songs. His songs were all written in what we would call lead sheet fashion. We didn't call them a lead sheet in those days. It was sort of a short cut method where we would have the melody and he would also put the words underneath and they were all mimiographed. Since this actually was near the end of the war, I'm sure that paper was scarce so he would put one song in one part of the paper and another song here. He would snip them off and give me different things and put them in a loose leaf form. I still have these books with all these old tunes. FB: Did he use that purple ink that smelled wonderful? BW: Exactly, it was that purple ink. FB: You could get high off it. BW: I don't know, I never, I was too busy trying to play these tunes. I'll never forget I did that for awhile. Then when I was about 12 or 13, I started studying with Lee Daniels. I remember Lee saying to me, play a song and I played this song Whispering and I'm playing the stride way of playing. He said, oh no we can't play that way anymore, he said that's so square, that's so old fashion. He said now what we do is we play a chord in the left hand and maybe a root, something like that. Because he said you're going to be playing with a bass player or a drummer, you won't have to do that. So there I was playing more tunes and Lee would have me play, we'd learn maybe ten tunes a week, and that was my lesson, learn these ten tunes. We'd learn Cole Porter and Jerome Kern and Irving Berlin and all those types of... FB: All the tin pan alley favorites. BW: Absolutely because that's what they played on jobs. When you played a wedding or bat mitzvah or whatever, that's what you played. FB: These are all echoed from broadway musicals, from Hollywood hits and you'd hear them on the radio.