FB: Or just maybe be able to identify some of the music when you hear it, the sound of the band or the names of the tune. BW: Yeah, something like that. Like I remember talking to John Williams and he said that. He said, you have to know a lot of music and you have to know it fast. Now I know that when John does a movie, sometimes he'll hire somebody to do the source music or some specialized music or hire somebody to do that, to write those. But, I'm sure if he had to, he's going to be able to write anything that he wants to, and immediatley, and very quickly. And I remember one time, we were in the green room with Joan Biaez and John Williams is conducting and I'm playing the piano and Joan Biaez said to me, is this the first time you saw this music? I said yeah, I'm just reading it. She said, you're just reading that, she said, it takes me, you know I have to go and learn for weeks and weeks and weeks to try to learn a tune. She said you're just reading it. I said well that's, that's what I do, I look at the tune. And John Williams is conducting and we finished playing this tune and John Williams said to Joan Biaez, how do you invision this music? She said oh it's a simple country tune. He said, hmm, he said okay, he said I'll fix the arrangement, I'll fix it. And so we finished and walked into the library and John's carrying the score and I said, John do you mind if I look over your shoulder, he said no, he said I don't mind. So he opens up the score and he's got this score in front of him. He takes this big magic marker and he goes... FB: Knocking out parts. BW: Yeah he just... FB: Trimmed it back. BW: Yeah, very quickly. He finished the thing, it didn't take him three minutes. I said, John, what did you do? I said, he said to me, well, he said, the arranger who arranged this music, he said, is probably a very good studio arranger. He said, but he has no knowledge of symphony orchestra, what an orchestra sounds like on stage. He said if you played this, if this were all played, he said it would sound like Mauler. He said because they doubled everything in the bassoons and in the contrabassoon. He's got bass clarinet, he's got bass trombone, he's got... This is a country tune and it's light, it's easy. I said, yeah but John you did it in like a minute. He said Bob, I've looked at scores for so long, I've written scores, I've studied them, I've written and examined them. He said, when I look at that page, I see everything like immediatlely. He said I know exactly where everything is in a standard, standard score, I just do that. He said, it was a nice arrangement, he said, but the guy just doesn't know how to write for this type of thing. FB: Not what Joan wants. BW: Yeah, it's a country, country sound. FB: Yeah, I could think of a lot of annaologies in other areas where simplicity is a paramount. BW: That's right. As a matter of fact, you know we say it, we say it to our students, less is more. FB: Absolutely. BW: When in doubt, leave it out. And as one old piano teacher of mine used to say, you always want to leave them wanting less. FB: Amen. BW: You know, I mean... It's supposed to be wanting more, but he, it was his idea, just sort of a comic idea, but that's the idea. Just enough to make it musical. And what happens with a lot of musicians, they put in too much actually. FB: Oh yes, especially when you're young and you've got your chops and you can play all the arpeggios and extra little fills and you never run out of breath and your mind is bursting with ideas. BW: Yeah, and that's not just a jazz piano player, that's a commercial piano player's too. Put in every, every kind of arpeggio and you know, whatever they can put in. What is it that they said about the New York Times, all the news that fits, we print. FB: Well now you know with the electronic media, that's really true. Theres infinite numbers of monkeys typing out infinite, on typwriters. More, more stuff than anybody could ever look at. You can become a blogger and a commentator and write reams of stuff and they'll be somebody out there that'll read it. You may not want to pay for it, but... BW: Exactly.