FB: Umm, lets see uhh...where else can we go here umm...Who were some of the other faces in the crowd that uhh, some of the other people that you had associations with at Berklee. You mentioned Michael Gibbs.
TE: Well, ya know if I could mention three of the muscians associated with Berklee and associated with Boston or associated with the music world that had most had an effect on me. I would have to say my good friend Phil Wilson. And he's a person who, I became kind of a fan of his playing when I first heard him play with Woody Herman in 63'. I didn't come to town till 71', so uh...
FB: Motes Em Ol' Town.
TE: Thats right, 64'.
FB: Where did that idea come from? Outer space?
TE: Ya know, I was listening to J.J. Johnson at the time and all the sudden I hear this big band record I hear this trombone, well I hear this sound I'm saying what in the devil is that? And realize, its a trombone. And, its like this glissando never ended. And just the command he had of the instrument, it was the first time I heard what to me seemed like really expressive personal vocal trombone interpretations or performances on the trombone. Through Phil I started learning an appreciation for Jack T. Garden and Vick Dickinson and you hear those and Loui Armstring, you hear those earlier influences, the harmonic and technically I mean he's on this end so he's the whole spectrom of the music. But Phil and I who became very close friends, Herb Pomeroy who is one of the master teachers, performers, educators, human beings I've ever met. And just to watch him work was just mind boggling and you learn, I mean it was like it was more than you could assimilate, you've got all these ideas and specific techniques as well as concepts. He was quete remarkable. The third was someone that should be on our lips right now as far as a name everyone knows and thats Michal Gibbs. Mike was a trombone student I think back in the 60s of Phil Wilson and a composition student, worked with Herb and others at Berklee. Went out on his own, came back to teach at Berklee for many years. He's probably one of the most orignal voices in composition I can think of in jazz. Some of his tunes are very well known, Sweet Rain, Literagy. They were recorded both by Gary Burton who recorded a lot of his music, and by Stan Getz who recorded a lot of Mike Gibbs tunes. But as a writer for a large ensemble umm, he had to be one of the earliest that really integrated elements of rock, jazz, with his own voice. And harmonically just somehwhere else, unusual phrases and very original music. I have so much respect for Mike Gibbs and wish he was still in town.
FB: Yeah, Yeah. He's over in London I believe.
TE: He has a place in London and a place in New York and he's doing uhh, I think mostly film writing now. But uhh, I miss Mike, a very gentle soul too.
FB: And the present generation of people that are still active you have a long working relationship with Jeff Freedman.
TE: Absolutely uhh, I think it started just after Jeff was uhh, might have been a student. I attended one of herb Pomeroy's concerts at MIT. For many years he was the director of the MIT Jazz band. And uhh, heard an arrangement I thought it was just a terrific arrangement and it was by Jeff Freedman who I didn't know who Jeff Freedman was. And went up to Herb after I said ya know umm, can I borrow that chart by Jeff Freedman? He says well ya know its in our book and we wanna keep it in our book for a while. I said well where is he? He's Says he's over at Berklee College. I kinda forgot about that. Later that spring with Phil Wilson's big band, we played an arrangement of umm, a Mingus tune, The Sound of Love by Charles Mingus. And...
FB: Doobah deedo dee dee...
TE: Oh, just tears your heart out man. Ya know, harmonically very nice. And it was an arrangement by Jeff Freedman. And uhh, it was a beautiful arrangement, also had a nice bass trombone part. The guy knew how to write for bass trombone, I appreciated that and was interested in that. But uh, it was very playable umm, but just gorgious. And Jeff came to one of the rehearsals and I instroduced myself and we struck up a conversation. uhh, later the next year we needed a chart to, I can't remember who the artist was, but to play behind one of our guest artist at Harvard. Went to Jeff and he did a wonderful arrangement, I can't remember what it was but almost every year for a good 8, 9, 10 years, had Jeff write for the Harvard Jazz band and he's doing again for our upcoming concert with Roy Hanes.
FB: Roy Hanes, another Boston Legend.
TE: Thats right.